Prozac

In a perfect world, discipline would cure all ills. But in the real world, not so much. How do we deal with those diagnoses that spanking just can't make go away. (You know, depression, ADD, DID/MPD. The thing a therapist would put on your medical record to convince the insurance company that they have to pay up, if you had a therapist and health insurance.)

Prozac

Postby blackbird » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:30 am

Hi all
Just wondering if anyone has tried alternatives to prozac and found them successful. I came off a low dose - 20mg a day - a year ago and gave myself that time to see if I wanted to take it always (it had been 10 years). Though I'm not depressed in the sense of hopeless, I suffer from more physical symptoms and feel a tightness and aching through my body, particularly upper right back, which is very difficult to live with. And more anxiety and anger. I am thinking of going to a herbal clinic to see if I that would be more me, as I don't like suppressing who I am with drugs. But my whole system needs supporting more it feels like.

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Re: Prozac

Postby splorange » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:12 am

I don't have much experience in this area. However my sister has taken St John's Wort and found it helpful. You do need to be careful though - it's a plant but it still has side effects and particularly can suppress the effects of other drugs you might be taking. So just read up before trying. There seems to be an awful lot of good press for 5- hydroxytryptophan. It's an amino acid, so you could think of it as a natural dietary supplement rather than a drug. It stimulates serotonin production, and has been known to help with pain, insomnia and PMT as well as anxiety. It may not be as good as all that, but I'm sure it couldn't do any harm either. I think you would be right to try a herbal clinic, and as well as their own suggestions maybe ask them about 5-HTP.
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Re: Prozac

Postby Ice-cream » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:19 am

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What alternatives have you explored - or are you open to exploring?
Coming from the starting point of prozac, it can put you in a mindset of looking for another pill, or a single remedy, but it can be more useful to take a wider approach and consider lots of little interventions. I find that "experts" have a tendancy to be very blinkered about anything outside their particular field, so psychologists can be dismissive of the impact of pain and posture on mood, and only look at psychological causes, etc. So it can be up to you to break down the components of your problem and treat them concurrently.

This is intended more as a brainstorm than anything else:

If therapy is an option, I strongly recommend finding someone who uses NLP techniques. From personal experience I've found them very very powerful and effective (I'm not comfortable getting into details on a public forum but feel free to PM me if you are interested)

It might be useful to approach a doctor and get some blood work done to check for levels of vitamins and iron, thyroid function etc.

Would a low impact exercise like pilates or swimming help with your tension and pain problems? Or maybe you might need some more fun exercise?

Have you explored physiotherapy or chiropractic for the back problems?

When I was pregnant on my second child I made myself a list of anti-depression strategies to fend off post natal depression. Of course I can't find it now! But it contained things like getting a 5 minute backrub (massage is a powerful anti-depressant), eating regularly and nutritously (my downfall), getting out of the house for a walk every day....all common sense things but you know how quickly a downward spiral can gain speed

And of course there is always spanking!!!
Russian scientists from the city of Novosibirsk, Siberia, made a sensational report at the international conference devoted to new methods of treatment and rehabilitation in narcology. The report was called “Methods of painful impact to treat addictive behavior.”

Siberian scientists believe that addiction to alcohol and narcotics, as well as depression, suicidal thoughts and psychosomatic diseases occur when an individual loses his or her interest in life. The absence of the will to live is caused with decreasing production of endorphins - the substance, which is known as the hormone of happiness. If a depressed individual receives a physical punishment, whipping that is, it will stir up endorphin receptors, activate the “production of happiness” and eventually remove depressive feelings.

Russian scientists recommend the following course of the whipping therapy: 30 sessions of 60 whips on the buttocks in every procedure. A group of drug addicts volunteered to test the new method of treatment: the results can be described as good and excellent.

Doctor of Biological Sciences, Sergei Speransky, is a very well known figure in Novosibirsk. The doctor became one of the authors of the shocking whipping therapy. The professor used the self-flagellation method to cure his own depression; he also recovered from two heart attacks with the help of physical tortures too.

”The whipping therapy becomes much more efficient when a patients receives the punishment from a person of the opposite sex. The effect is astounding: the patient starts seeing only bright colors in the surrounding world, the heartache disappears, although it will take a certain time for the buttocks to heal, of course,” Sergei Speransky told the Izvestia newspaper.

The whipping therapy has not become a new discovery in the history of medicine. Tibetan monks widely used it for medical purposes too. Soviet specialists used a special method of torturing therapy at mental hospitals. They made injections of brimstone and peach oil mixture to inspire mentally unbalanced patience with a will to live. A patient would suffer from horrible pain in the body after such an injection, but he or she would change their attitude to life for the better afterwards.

”People might probably think of me as a masochist,” Dr. Speransky ( Damn close to Dr. Spanksky--- A-Train) said. “But I can assure you that I am not a classic masochist at all,” he added.

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Re: Prozac

Postby blackbird » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:49 am

Hi ice-cream

Your post was just the tonic I needed! Is the Russian thing serious!?

Am and will try quite a lot of what you suggest. Just been osteo'd this morning so feeling doolally. And pilates is my next stop.

Love what you wrote to Splorange. I think we are somewhat at the vanguard of defining ttwd - taking it from fetish to proper inclusion in our lives.

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Re: Prozac

Postby JigsawAnalogy » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:45 am

Therapy helped me a lot. Of course, I also realized last fall after four months entirely off of nicotine that *that* also helps to reduce my depression. So I use the gum as a self-administered antidepressant. It works for me.

And spankings definitely help me to be more grounded and balanced mentally. So do getting enough food, and rest, and time to do things that help me to feel stable (those are probably very individual, but for me they include things like listening to music and reading books).

I don't tend to do well with antidepressant medications (too many paradoxical reactions, which means that they have the opposite effect intended). But I've found that figuring out what does work has made an incredible difference in my life--incredible at the level of people who have a religious experience. If I didn't object to proselytizing, and if I knew which factor it was that led to that transformation for me, I would totally go out sharing the news with the world. The difference is amazing.

For just general lower levels of depression, I get the most help by eating a balanced diet, getting exercise, stretching, making sure my vitamin levels (particularly iron and vitamin D) are where they should be, and doing things that make me happy. It has also helped me to just pay attention to where the feelings are coming from, and to take control of the things where I have some control. And also to accept that sometimes, things are just depressing, and that unhappiness is a feeling that will come from time to time. So sometimes when I'm depressed, I give myself time to experience that feeling, and allow it to pass through me.
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Re: Prozac

Postby splorange » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:28 am

JigsawAnalogy wrote:Therapy helped me a lot. Of course, I also realized last fall after four months entirely off of nicotine that *that* also helps to reduce my depression. So I use the gum as a self-administered antidepressant. It works for me.


Apparently, smoking stimulates dopamine production, so it's not surprising that nicotine gum helps.

JigsawAnalogy wrote:For just general lower levels of depression, I get the most help by eating a balanced diet, getting exercise, stretching, making sure my vitamin levels (particularly iron and vitamin D) are where they should be, and doing things that make me happy. It has also helped me to just pay attention to where the feelings are coming from, and to take control of the things where I have some control. And also to accept that sometimes, things are just depressing, and that unhappiness is a feeling that will come from time to time. So sometimes when I'm depressed, I give myself time to experience that feeling, and allow it to pass through me.


All of these things have been important to me too. I know that part of what has been causing my long-term bad mood (long in that a mood usually lasts a few hours, and mine has been going for a few weeks, but not long in the way that genuine depression is long) is being out of a routine, keeping unsociable hours, not doing regular constructive work, and eating poorly. I didn't offer any lifestyle advice to blackbird, because I took it that she was specifically asking for medication that had helped people. But in my experience lifestyle management has been a huge help.
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Re: Prozac

Postby bodack » Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:39 pm

You might want to look into SAM-E
http://altmedicine.about.com/od/treatme ... a/SAMe.htm

I got too much from a bounce from it. Going from really good to really bad. I have that issue anyway so it probably made it worse. If you are just slightly down all of the time it might help.
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Re: Prozac

Postby wicked nurse » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:44 pm

Just wanted to throw in that many of the symptoms you describe have been documented as side effects of SSRI withdrawal, which nearly no psychiatrist will speak with you about since they never seem to be willing to let anyone off the damn things anyhow.

Remember how they told you it could take up to 8 weeks for your body to adjust to taking the medication or a dosage change? It actually takes even longer for withdrawal symptoms to fade as the body readjusts to regulating serotonin. I mention it now because technically, you could still be suffering from these symptoms as a result of quitting the medication and for no other reasons.

Just because something is natural doesn't mean that it isn't powerfully effective at whatever it is that nature designed it to do! (IE cyanide) St. John's Wort is the only antidepressant ever tested in a double blind study that actually outperformed placebo at relieving symptoms of depression! The only thing SSRIs did more than placebos were increase risk of patient committing homicide and or suicide. (The book Bad Science by Goldacre is excellently researched and does a good job of pointing out where pharma has pulled out charts with data that illustrates something entirely different than what they claim right below it in text.)
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